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mG_Despair
post May 27 2020, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(Sloop90 @ May 27 2020, 06:03 PM)
Ok i cant keep talk in this forum people here are wosre than monkeys. In terms of iq reading skill and convice skill.

Only nyan talk sense.
1.i will check it tomrow hopefuly vs real player but if not then vs pc.
2. Remeber its unpatch. And seth>loki unpqtch mostly because the eqrly map control and eco harasment
3.if you start early and have 2 ulfs its posible finish before 4.30 but i need test it ofc.
4. I dont think seth will do it mostly because if he does hes traped in your half map and doubt if he will kill vills. Reneber seth use cision early most of time. If he wont he will bad start . And also you might advence loke 5:00 wth this start so.

5. He can put heyena in corner. And i can kill the heyna i  the corner..
6. I thinj it should be cost about 220 if you do minimal walls but conplete block.
7.Remeber loki have always 1000 extra gold un bank so what is 220?
8.jj you have 2 ulfs you bully preist so set dont have animals.
9.its for have safe rss as well. Free hunting no need to start moving vills/lose them to phraoh hit. Not getting units shift as well.
10.you in good postion like that. If he pick tc you can do same without get dely.
11.remeber up of tower cost 300 rss and me as ora player do it somtimes for defend from beimg gold block. Here i talk on 220 gold that norse get easly anyway.
12. You all bunch of noobs except nyan wich is hybrid with noob  and pro at the same time
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post May 27 2020, 09:05 PM
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I think mor is unknow Einsten. We should give him expert Einsten tag. Your idea wont counter anything considering set ss no patch is stronger than ss vills. You will have Dudu spartan start to up 9m with walls then set ss into your vills and sit there for 2m.

Your idea will damage your economy and then if seth ss priest units you are finished. Your idea is almost great as try to use cease fire after eclipse been cast. (If you try it vs ai, it wont work), but if you try vs player it wont work as well.

I think mor realized that playing others civs you just have to deal vs ss and accept it, but as oranos you can jump 500 km from resource to house . Counter to ss will never exist for norse, just accept. (Unless we ask patch team make ox cart 1000hp and put villagers inside).

Just to make sure, your idea of making many ox carts (which will cost 50 wood for odin and tor), and making 2 ulfs and so many walls, do you think you will up before 6m? What if seth ignore that use vision and sit on your gold?

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post May 28 2020, 01:30 AM
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As a newer player Mor wasn't around for the pre-patch days, but the wall off and 2nd Ulf were attempted, but weren't even close to reliable. Keep in mind that in the olden days, Set also converted animals faster, the converted animals moved faster, and the converted animals had more attack. The only chance Norse had was to go double Ulf and get super lucky and find the priest before an animal was converted. But that required alot of luck, and even then, the Set could respond by sending Pharaoh, or (on many maps) just convert the first animal in base. So it wasn't viable. In the end, the best choice was just to accept the loss of 3 vills + ox cart.

Additionally, training an extra Ulf and Ox Cart takes more time than training a villager. So doing that and losing 2 vills + ox cart is worse than than losing 3 vills + an Ox Cart.

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post May 28 2020, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE(TOAO_ChronoJJ @ May 28 2020, 01:30 AM)
As a newer player Mor wasn't around for the pre-patch days, but the wall off and 2nd Ulf were attempted, but weren't even close to reliable. Keep in mind that in the olden days, Set also converted animals faster, the converted animals moved faster, and the converted animals had more attack. The only chance Norse had was to go double Ulf and get super lucky and find the priest before an animal was converted. But that required alot of luck, and even then, the Set could respond by sending Pharaoh, or (on many maps) just convert the first animal in base. So it wasn't viable. In the end, the best choice was just to accept the loss of 3 vills + ox cart.

Additionally, training an extra Ulf and Ox Cart takes more time than training a villager. So doing that and losing 2 vills + ox cart is worse than than losing 3 vills + an Ox Cart.
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not everyone has 50 iq that need luck for find presit.
i said you make extra odxcart when he save vision you know why? because he will ss your oxcart anyway dumbos. so you will never to make it early or later.
you dont even have to kil the presit just make him busy in fight you\ his animals fight you then you have enough wall to block him, even if he try break it you can repair until he reach clasical and has presit hit but then you alrdy in good postion.

I think the fact i have not played 10 years unpatch like mc skady and dady jj benefit me cause i can think againts the normal opinion.

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post May 28 2020, 02:18 AM
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well i upadted my post.

1. wall strategy works realy well. i never seen smarter thing than what i did.
but you use it only if seth use vision early. this way you block COMPLETELY any seth agresion and ss wich is huge. its like enter 4.0 pathc into unpatch seth is handicup like that.

2. in case he save vision you go for 3:30(4:30 clasical) 6 4 2
4 oxcarts.
if he ss he will only ss 2 vills. but then you push back with units and early advence.

possible i get einstein tag like skady propused?

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post May 29 2020, 09:13 AM
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The main issue is not the shift itself, but the inability to know what the shift will do. Set can shift units on your vills, shift vills directly on no patch, or shift your goats. All three strats are basically gg. Your strat doesn't counter this main issue.

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in games seth use vision early game

all of what you said being counter.
he dont have the los for use ss, no matter the way.

and if he save vision then you split vills, so it counter his units ss on you, and if he take your vills he take only 2 and oxcart.

its like 6 food 4 wood 2 gold start. 4 oxcarts.

spliting them to team of 2 each.

my bo is for loki though,

for thor i think just up 4:00 send the valkeria into his base, so you take his fire from towers and can escape with vills while valk cover you.

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Where does this come from tho? 11

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QUOTE(DoD_J4Jc3 @ May 29 2020, 09:47 AM)
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Where does this come from tho? 11
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you never played set?

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A set player can do vision both immediately as directly after the classical age. Not sure what is being done now, but when vills could be shifted, set players used vision after advancing to classic.

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QUOTE(DoD_J4Jc3 @ May 29 2020, 10:28 AM)
A set player can do vision both immediately as directly after the classical age. Not sure what is being done now, but when vills could be shifted, set players used vision after advancing to classic.
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its map depends ofc.
but from what i seen seth use vision in most of time most of maps, for find animals to use presit on.

and also think if its low hunt map like alfheim or oasis, when no hunt in los seth always use vision so..

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Except when they see your 400 gold wall, then from that game onward they will not etc. Like my original post said, the whole issue with shift is that there are too many options to use shift and all of them are equally crushing for norse. Even the one that seems least damaging (shifting goats) basically destroys norse as the whole meta vs set is based on Heroic and gl making food units and getting heroic with farms.

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i will explain for last time cause seems you dont understand.

2 options in game loki vs seth.


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now lets say this seth know you going to wall the map, and decide to save vision.
what you do is



if you fear he ss your units and then go presure with phraoh, so just garsion them.





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