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MeRcY_NeVeR
post Jul 15 2007, 05:22 PM
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Anyway, quiet a number of people have asked me to post a message why i beleive in Allah (god) and i tried once and i couldnt really express it. Anyway after some thought i kinda going to make another attempt.

Last night i had a scary thought, about infinity. Like the general idea of heaven is to live with allah forever, thats a very very narrow summary but you get the idea. So i was thinkin hmmm my mind cant come to terms with infiinity and living forever after death. Then another thought struck me, if thier is nothing. Nothingness...some black endless void....is more freaky then infinity. So after some prayer i came to the conclusion on how to represent my arguement.

Think of Allah's Knowledge like the earth. Imagine the whole planet was filled with water. Then get a small pin. Place the pin in the great ocean. Pull the pin out, and the space that was occupied by the pin represents human intellgince.

Now lets go back 500 years. Lets go to london. And you ask some commoner on the road, that in 500 years in the future you will be able to fly in a plane from London to saudi arabia in 6 hours he would probally call you a witch and you would be burned alive.

My point i am making is were humans, we have faults and one of them is being arrgoant. The smartest people in the world most of them dont believe in Allah because they have too big of egos to come to crips that they might be wrong with thier theroy.


All that i have mentioned is one of the reasons i belive in God. Others are my family, my friends, etc Alot of the little things i see make me think of God like nice landscapes and other things. I just cant come to grips or even think it all came from a big bang and we will all die and fall into nothingness.

anyway i got to go now....i will add some more later i ended quick i have a few things to do see ya.


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post Jul 18 2007, 10:33 AM
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....as long as you dont complete your post we wont be able to critzise it. ;)

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post Jul 18 2007, 11:38 AM
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Your example of London 500 years ago counters your example of the pinpoint of human knowledge...

It shows that the absence of knowledge NOW is not proof that future knowledge won't be developed. Human knowledge is not static. Theoretically, 500 years from now the entire genetic code of life may be known, and the origin of life proven. Right now we may be like the Londoner of 500 years ago, stating that flight (or life) is only possible through the work of a spiritual power. And it may yet be explained, making us look ignorant and stubborn.

I'm not taking a side one way or the other, I'm just saying your examples work against each other ^^

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post Jul 24 2007, 02:51 PM
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Hey bro, I haven´t read it all yet, I will when I get some time. I might share my thoughts about why I believe.

Cya ;)

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post Aug 24 2007, 12:18 AM
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I am back!

Who missed me!

I see a new atheist on the board, Orion or smth like that. I barely scratched the forum "why bible didn't abolish slavery' and his arguments kinda suxed badly. SG won in a lost position as it often has happened : )

Anyway, to topic,

My guess why you believe in Allah,

and I honestly state I say that because I think it and not to offend you,

is that

1. You are not very intelligent and having one one GRAND answer for everything fits well your thinking.
2. As almost all muslims, you have been brainwashed from your first breath and now it's a part of your DNA.


Now about 2. In my experience for some things in life there is no coming back. People are stubborn, sometimes the more you push them one way that only makes them go the other. I bet you have had plenty of evidence in life that contradicts the theory that everything is created/controlled by a superpower but it's too late for you to change. You will die as a fanatic muslim and nobody can turn you around. It's like sports fans. Once you are a Milan fan you are a Milan fan forever, your club may suck but that don't matter.

My biggest problem with religion in general is the same: it is based solely on faith and no evidence. But then what does separate it from any other bogus theory?? Seriously, if all faith and no evidence is how it works then why is Islaam different than my belief that there are invisible flying dragons everywhere around us?

I still can't finish the darn bible. I try but its really repetitive and boring and the literature style sux really bad. The whole vocabulary is 200 words, folks do the same 5 little tricks, healing by touching, feeding with 5 breads and thats it. Honestly, if that wasn't the bible nobody would read such a bad piece of literature. I am sure the Koran is a little better, since it was written later when language was evolved, but it's the same poopie underneath. My thought in this last paragraph is, that I have never heard or read and argument to get me hesitated about existence of Jesus and all. My biggest question however is how do you get smart people to believe in God? And I know personally people smarter than me that do believe. SG is a sharp fella as well. I know in general as IQ grows it becomes less likely for a person to be religious. But still, what makes those few still believe? Of course I couldn't care less what cloudEX or MercyNever or the rest of the mediocre crowd believes in.. History has shown hundreds of times that the crowd believes in whaat you tell it.


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post Aug 25 2007, 12:18 PM
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This thread is relatively old (mercy still never finished his post, lol) but I think I will still post anyways. Roark is absolutely right and I think what I'm about to say isn't much more than a reiteration of what he is saying.

I do agree that the human race does have a trace of arrogance, but I would not say that it is stubborn. For a relogious person who seems pretty devout, it is rather ironic that you would make such a judgement yourself. That commoner 500 years ago lacked the needed knowledge to understand commercial flight just as you suggest we cannot understand religion.

However, if you were to go back 500 years and find another man who believed that in 500 years there would be numerous commercial airlines willing to fly you almost anywhere in the world and he had no scientific proof of its existance, he wouldn't be any less crazy. He would still be making a ridiculous claim that by sheer coincidence so happened to come true.

If some crazy man in a mental institution told us that in 75 years our planet would be ruled by a mutated mutant sub-class and it just so happened to come true, that doesn't validate his reasoning.

In hindsight, it is very easy to draw an example where something that at the time, would seem absurd but still came to pass. In reality, there is little difference between your guy and the local burnout with extreme paranoia.


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Alot of the little things i see make me think of God like nice landscapes and other things.


Thanks for the cliche image, but I think this is a pretty irrelevant point. Sometimes the complexity of things can be mystifying, but it is no cause for jumping to conclusions.



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