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post Jun 6 2010, 11:23 AM
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Yes, it does seems quite logical for them to get the bomb. And state sponsored terrorism does indeed mean the the state itself has terroristic intentions. That's EXACTLY what that means. Did you even click the link I gave you? The horrible thing about it though, is that they don't have to do it overtly... all they have to do is give it to one of their sponsored organizations and when the mushroom cloud erupts, deny that they gave any out and point the finger at North Korea. That will have the UN pissing around in their seats saying they need an "international investigation" into what happened.

Nothing good will come from Iran getting the bomb. Just like there's nothing good about NK getting the bomb: see the sinking of South Korea's warship. Now that NK has the bomb, they can literally get away with murder. Same will happen with Iran, but in a much worse way.

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post Jun 6 2010, 11:43 AM
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Compeador, where are you from?

I hope you realise how biased you are lol.

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post Jun 6 2010, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(Compeador @ Jun 5 2010, 11:08 PM)
To address what you just said in reverse order:  The problem we're having in Iraq is an unconventional enemy.  Iran's military is conventional, and the inferior of a single U.S. expeditionary force and fleet.  Going to war with Iran is no big deal, it's the non conventional/guerrilla/insurgent conflict that would happen if we tried to occupy it. 

I don't have Islamophobia, I have my eyes open to history.  And it repeats itself.

And finally, do even 30 seconds of research into Iran and state sponsored terrorism.  Hell just type it into google. 

Here, let me Google that for you.

Iran is run by anything but "normal" Muslims.  That is what we call "Radical" Muslims.  The ones that scream that ululating war cry as they sever your head from your neck for being an infidel.
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Point taken about (state sponsored) terrorism - I should admit that I don't know an awful lot about it, that just seemed the most logical conclusion from what I do know.

Could you specify as to which part of history says that a Muslim government will give the green light to kill billions? Genocides/Mass murders have been carried out by Muslim and non-Muslim goverments alike, and in fact the most serious examples have been demonstrated by non-Muslim ones. Also, nuclear warfare is on a whole different scale - it's billions of lives at stake, and even the most radical Muslims almost certainly do not believe so wholeheartedly that killing them would be a good thing.

Let's face it, if these powerful extremists who honestly believed that they would be rewarded for killing thousands of people, they all would have suicide bombed themselves in an infidel state already. They probably don't believe it themselves - they just spout it to others, and in fact value their own precious skins above anything else. That is part of the reason I doubt any of these countries will drop a nuke.

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post Jun 6 2010, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(Compeador @ Jun 6 2010, 04:23 PM)
Yes, it does seems quite logical for them to get the bomb.  And state sponsored terrorism does indeed mean the the state itself has terroristic intentions.  That's EXACTLY what that means.  Did you even click the link I gave you?  The horrible thing about it though, is that they don't have to do it overtly... all they have to do is give it to one of their sponsored organizations and when the mushroom cloud erupts, deny that they gave any out and point the finger at North Korea.  That will have the UN pissing around in their seats saying they need an "international investigation" into what happened. 

Nothing good will come from Iran getting the bomb.  Just like there's nothing good about NK getting the bomb:  see the sinking of South Korea's warship.  Now that NK has the bomb, they can literally get away with murder.  Same will happen with Iran, but in a much worse way.
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No it isnt exactly what it means :P
these states "use" terrorism for achieving smth not direktly related to it, like weakening israel and undermining its position in the world...
a state really going for terrorism would cause much more trouble then some exploding cars or smth like that......

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post Jun 7 2010, 05:34 PM
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Could you specify as to which part of history says that a Muslim government will give the green light to kill billions?


Take a look at most of Turkey's (formerly the Ottoman Empire) history. From the Armenians, to Cyprus, to the Assyrians and Greeks, the list goes on.

Take a look at what's been happening in Somalia for the last two decades and beyond, and the perpetrators? ....radical Muslim converts.

Also, Pakistan's "cleansing" of the East Bengals, killing as many as 3 million Hindus ("infidels").

The genocidal campaign against the Kashmiri Pandits by the Pakistani-trained militias (terrorists).

Any and every single statement made by Hamas (An Iranian funded, supplied, and supported terrorism and political group who is now in charge of Gaza.. therefore a government) regarded Jews. Not just Israel, though that is their current target, but all Jews, everywhere.

Several examples, both governmental and not. The significance of this one is the influence these people, specifically the Imams, religious leaders, and pseudo-governmental terrorists groups, have on the rest of Islamic culture.


This quote is probably the most frightening:
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"Today, the Iranian people is the owner of nuclear technology. Those who want to talk with our people should know what people they are talking to. If some believe they can keep talking to the Iranian people in the language of threats and aggressiveness, they should know that they are making a bitter mistake. If they have not realized this by now, they soon will, but then it will be too late. Then they will realize that they are facing a vigilant, proud people."




Highly Theocratic governments such as Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and so on quite often make their decisions based mainly upon the Quran or Shari'ah. In the last 20+ years, the popular interpretations of both have been radicalized, the most obvious result of which is the terrorist network Al'Qaeda.
Crucial to the mantra of this new radical ideology is this theory: "God's will is our will. Our people are God's people. Our nation is God's nation. Our enemies are God's enemies."
Put into this context, mass genocide is very palatable to the radicals. Most of Iran's government and religious leaders are radical.
An analysis of Radical Islam's reasoning and willingness to commit mass murder.

Most Muslims are not radical. Instead, Radical Islam is a minority, but a very fast-growing, well funded, and highly motivated minority. The problem with Iran getting nukes is Iran has historically shown that it is prepared to lie on the international stage, is prepared to openly support mass murderers.... and very well could hand their nuclear arsenal to people or groups who are more than prepared to use them against "God's enemies." That's us. You and me.




I hope that changes your mind on a government's willingness to carry out mass murder and genocide. It's a subject that is recognized by governments and organizations worldwide, not the least of which is the Genocide Convention.



It's a real and very serious threat. And there are certainly people in power who are more than willing to carry it out in the name of Allah.

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post Jun 9 2010, 07:29 PM
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whats wrong with u guys, why write 5 pages. If u take over a rdm boat capture some people and kill 10 of them u must be a complete r.etard. easy as that.

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post Jun 10 2010, 03:09 AM
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OMG you're so right. I just spent all that time and effort making detailed and legitimate reasons why Israel's actions are a logical and legal extension of their literal state of WAR and why their actions are necessary for the survival of their nation.... But dude with that one statement you completely changed my views, forever and ever. You must be a fruiting champion on your school's debate team to be able to take ignorance and misinformation and bad grammar and transform it into a completely wintactular statement like that. I want to blow you I'm in such awe right now.

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post Jun 10 2010, 03:58 AM
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the point is wether the end justifies the means or not, u seem to think it does and therefore have to write 30 lines about it, while viktor thinks it doesnt what can be expressed in a simple one-liner :P

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post Jun 10 2010, 06:05 AM
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There's certainly food for thought in that post.. although I still retain the point that nuclear warfare is just on such a different scale of anything that's happened before, and I think that anyone, even an extremist muslim, would be hesitant to initiate it when they knew for sure that doing so would mean pretty much apocalypse.


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I just hope we never get the chance to find out.



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