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post Jul 22 2014, 07:10 AM
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Didn't the attacker receive a yellow card for that ?

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post Jul 22 2014, 09:14 AM
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yep, ref said he attacked the keeper :lol:

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post Jul 22 2014, 09:46 AM
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i thought that ref was a joke when the Netherlands had him as referee (vs spain or australia iirc? ) , next thing I heard is him whistling FINALS?
Maybe related family of Blatter.

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post Jul 25 2014, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(Gropes @ Jul 19 2014, 04:45 AM)
QUOTE(Umeu @ Jul 18 2014, 11:49 AM)
QUOTE(Gropes @ Jul 14 2014, 12:49 PM)
QUOTE(Umeu @ Jul 14 2014, 11:49 PM)
QUOTE(NoOBeiDoN @ Jul 13 2014, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE(Lebkuchen_mann @ Jul 13 2014, 05:41 PM)
Germany won - best team and most solid by far, imo.
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I think everyone will agree that the best team won the World Cup :flowers:
Also in my opinion Messi would not have other chance to lift this trophy. The situation in Russia 2018 will be very hard for them to handle and Messi will be older.
Argentina not much of a Team going only for the result not playing good football
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germany didnt play very good either, pretty much the entire tournament, except for 30 mins vs portugal and 30 mins vs brazil. :/
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Never voice your opinion about football again. You obviously know nothing.
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yes germany played amazing in the finals, which was truly a awesome display of good football.
except it really wasnt...

and german really tried to do anything else but defend an early 1-0 lead vs france which made for a really exciting match and not a dull repeat of 1914-1918.
except that didnt happen

and this well oiled german machine also totally steamrolled puny algeria.
except they really didnt...

oh and then there was the groupstage.

the usa and ghana got manhandled... except not really

the only convincing wins germany had was vs portugal and brazil... yes they were better in the finals, and yes they were the best team in the tournament, but they didnt dominate imo. how many games have you seen them play as in that first half vs brazil...?
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From this I can assume that you have either not played in any football tournaments or if you have you must have done purely. Tournament football is almost a completely different type of football. Germany were consistently strong defensively. They built from the back. No team is going to go through an entire tournament without one or two lapses. The lapses that Germany had were well recovered from, showing the strength of their team. They gained momentum in the group stages in arguably one of the hardest groups and kept it right through to the final.

You need to understand the philosophical side to football. Teams like Brazil play with an attitude that we don't mind how many goals you score we are gonna score more which makes for open attractive style of play. Teams like Germany have an attitude of we don't care how many goals we score cos you are not going to score any which makes for a solid strong style of play. Germany dominated opposition throughout the tournament. Dominating a game is not being 4-0 up. It is being on top of you opposition for extended periods of time regardless of score line.
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i played football my entire life on pretty much every position (the socalled dutch school 4-3-3) and i know that you can win in dominating fashion while its only 1-0 or 2-0 in score, or win in not a very convincing fashion while the score is 4-1 (such as the champions league final). i also know that no team is going to dominate 7 games, from start to finish, or that you have to dominate 90 minutes in order to be convincing.

I am not saying that germany didnt play well, they just didnt play as well or well that much in order for me to find their run convincing, they were the best of this tournament, but as garja said, this is also partially because so many others failed to convince even more. I've seen germany play alot better in the past few years, so i wasnt that impressed. As you say, dominating is being on top of your opposition for extended periods, well apart from the game vs portugal or brazil, i didnt see them do this vs other teams. Against ghana the game was entirely open, and it went back and forth between periods of dominance of ghana and germany. But coming into the match, the germans were clear favorites to win it, so a 2-2 draw was surprising to say the least, not to say that Ghana certainly couldve won.

Vs the USA they did a bit better, but still until the end the USA was still in it and pushing the germans back, even almost tying it up in the last few minutes. Then vs algeria, pretty much the same story as vs Ghana, and i wouldnt be alone in saying that I think that algreria couldve won that game as well. Again, i would say germany failed to impress, even though algeria was strong and probably severely underestimated.

Then vs France, germany scored an early goal and from there pretty much all they did was defend that lead. maybe that is my interpretation, but i didnt really see them try to go for combination football and attacking football. ofcourse this is understandable, especially vs a team with so much potential as france, so i'd say their win was convincing enough, but I can't say they dominated france, because they really didn't .

So up till then, i'd say germany's run wasnt all that great, a 4-0 k.o vs portugal, partially due to pepe being a moron, a tie vs ghana, a decent win vs usa, a narrow win vs algeria, a decent win vs france. and then a 7-1 vs brazil, ofcourse nothing i can say to downplay that victory, but i think all can agree that brazil was also just a mediocre team. if germany had truly dominated vs argentina i'd let it all slide, but they didnt. i thought the final match was pretty dull, tbh i'd say that most would agree if it was not a final match, if that was a groupstage of friendly game, ppl wouldnt have been all that excited im sure. but maybe thats just me nagging.

anyway, we may disagree on this, i don't really care. for me it just wasnt the best cup ive seen, and i doubt i will remember much about it, even though i am dutch and the dutchies got 3rd.

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QUOTE(NoOBeiDoN @ Jul 19 2014, 11:37 AM)
The decision of giving Messi the golden ball is obviously ambiguous.
It wasnt clear enough who is gonna take the glory.
In any case its history
Personally, i will not remember this World Cup for Messi as i didnt like his performance overall.Was expecting more from him and especially in the knock out rounds.Still  remember so many great players and their ambitions force them giving their best. The fact that Messi was walking in defence in most of the games just get in my nerves. I dont care if he was doubled or tripled. Many other great players were getting played in the same way.
For Germany, i disagree with some opinions that was the team based in defence. They never played defensively in the tourney.Their style was something lke Barcelona passing all around trying to find the gaps with patience.
In difference with Germany i can tell that for Argentina. Way to defensively considering their roster. The most responsible for that is Sallabella
For Brazil, i think they played as good as they could expect the semi final.
Was a weird decision by Scolari to start with Fred in this team.
First time i see Brazil with not any good Striker.
For Netherlands,i think they did their best.Personally i liked some new players and especially Depay Memhis
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i'd say messi did as good as anyone could expect of him in the groupstage if you look at pure delivery. he scored 4 goals and carried his team through mediocre matches, he made the difference. also in the first ko he gave the deciding assist.

but yes, he wasn't as flashing as many of us would have liked, though im pretty certain that much of this comes down to having had injuries/full season. he was obviously just tired. same for CR7. its pretty crazy that the german and dutch teams were still so fit deep into the tournament. and ofcourse mascherano... crazy guy. tears asshole in semi finals, plays like a boss in finals. XD



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