dPb_PapaHaefMasterMC |
Jun 3 2010, 03:22 AM
Post
#1
|
Major-General Group: Members Posts: 2,982 Submissions: None Joined: 30-November 07 Member No.: 61,018 |
Go. I will post mine later. Libertarian Socialist btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wriQGI5NGOM This post has been edited by [DoD]Zen: Jun 3 2010, 03:27 AM |
Compeador |
Jun 4 2010, 02:06 AM
Post
#2
|
Brigadier Group: DOW II Expert Posts: 2,373 Submissions: None Joined: 12-November 05 Member No.: 86,286 |
True Republican Not to be confused with the current trend of Liberal Republicans. Oh man, I fruiting cry every time I hear that man speak. We need more Reagan. This post has been edited by Compeador: Jun 4 2010, 02:09 AM |
Saaz |
Jun 4 2010, 03:29 AM
Post
#3
|
A custom title. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 2,414 Submissions: None Joined: 18-January 06 From: Crabland Member No.: 14,048 |
Lawful Evil |
DoO_DarKsouL |
Jun 4 2010, 06:31 AM
Post
#4
|
General Group: Members Posts: 4,194 Submissions: None Joined: 1-February 07 From: UK Member No.: 51,354 |
I'd say I was centre/slightly left, and socially liberal. |
dPb_PapaHaefMasterMC |
Jun 4 2010, 09:52 AM
Post
#5
|
Major-General Group: Members Posts: 2,982 Submissions: None Joined: 30-November 07 Member No.: 61,018 |
ewww screw reagan bro. he was textbook neo-con |
Santiago4ever |
Jun 4 2010, 12:22 PM
Post
#6
|
¯\(o_O)/¯ Group: DOW I Expert Posts: 6,023 Submissions: None Joined: 5-February 05 Member No.: 4,708 |
I'm a member of the swedish Pirate Party. That's right, unless you're a ninja I win. |
4servant |
Jun 4 2010, 03:22 PM
Post
#7
|
Lieutenant-General Group: DOW I Expert Posts: 3,034 Submissions: None Joined: 2-July 06 From: Netherlands Member No.: 89,239 |
Im all on the left wing! |
Compeador |
Jun 5 2010, 04:34 AM
Post
#8
|
Brigadier Group: DOW II Expert Posts: 2,373 Submissions: None Joined: 12-November 05 Member No.: 86,286 |
Neo-Conservative is such a widely misused and misunderstood term these days that it's not surprising you call Reagan one. He didn't adhere to most of the major tenets of "Neo-Conservatism", the most important of which was the support of a welfare state. These days, the term "Neo-con" is so contemporary that anyone who is seen to support the military or wants to confront an enemy with military might rather than endless diplomacy is branded a "Neo-con" (example: supporters of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq). And the term has become pejorative to say the least. Anyway, do your homework on a subject before you make generalized assumptions based upon things you probably read on some forum somewhere. And don't take my word for it either. |
dPb_PapaHaefMasterMC |
Jun 5 2010, 01:37 PM
Post
#9
|
Major-General Group: Members Posts: 2,982 Submissions: None Joined: 30-November 07 Member No.: 61,018 |
You would describe Ronald Reagans foreign policy as something other than neo-conservative? Please explain to me how global anti-Soviet expansionism is not an act of neo-conservatism This post has been edited by [DoD]Zen: Jun 5 2010, 01:39 PM |
Compeador |
Jun 5 2010, 03:06 PM
Post
#10
|
Brigadier Group: DOW II Expert Posts: 2,373 Submissions: None Joined: 12-November 05 Member No.: 86,286 |
Noe-conservatism in Reagan's time was focused on many old democratic principles: Big government, welfare nation, distribution of wealth, a national bank, and so on. The only tenets of Neo-Conservatism that Reagan actively pursued was to persecute his campaign against Soviet Russia (and he was successful) and end the Cold War. The Neo-Conservatives of his time threw their support behind Reagan, but he at no time ever associated himself with their movement or most basic tenets. Now, the main thing that people identify as being "Neo-conservative" is the use of military strength and a willingness to come to violent conflict to resolve issues. Reagan used economic pressure to bring down the USSR, preying upon the Soviet fears that the US would gain a technological and strategic advantage over them. While the limited conflicts that occurred during his presidency could be pointed at, such is true of every single president of the US since the birth of our nation. In short, the definition of Neo-Conservatism has changed since Reagan's presidency so much that it is not the same animal any more. I'd go so far to even say that there is no longer a true Neo-Conservative movement in the US since what is now classified as such is merely a way for others to lump certain groups of people together (usually those in favor of military action over appeasement) and has, as such, become a pejorative classification instead of a true political ideology. Perhaps where your assertion comes from is the fact that Reagan so drastically affected the ideologies of Republicans and Conservatives across the nation that many of the doctrines and tenets of each group changed drastically. Neo-conservatism certainly did, because they had so vehemently supported him merely for his stance vs the USSR and not his social and domestic plans. Now the social and domestic ideologies of "Neo-cons" (if they do indeed still call themselves that) have taken a spot beyond the back-burner in favor of opinions on foreign policy. Therein lies your comparison. But if that's what you are asserting, then the Neo-conservatives of his time and the people he inspired are two completely different political groups with very little common ground. And if that is indeed what you are asserting, then you are merely referring to reactionary conservatives who do not favor non-interventionism and/or appeasement, nothing "Neo" about them. A brief but concise essay by Patrick Buchanin, founder of "The American Cause" - a conservative group focused on education and principle instillation. http://www.theamericancause.org/patreaganneoconservative.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pbp0hur9RU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1fYSAChxs This post has been edited by Compeador: Jun 5 2010, 03:18 PM |
dPb_PapaHaefMasterMC |
Jun 5 2010, 03:34 PM
Post
#11
|
Major-General Group: Members Posts: 2,982 Submissions: None Joined: 30-November 07 Member No.: 61,018 |
Thanks for the reply. Finally a well researched right-winger. I'll read that later. :) |
Compeador |
Jun 5 2010, 04:48 PM
Post
#12
|
Brigadier Group: DOW II Expert Posts: 2,373 Submissions: None Joined: 12-November 05 Member No.: 86,286 |
No problem. Thanks for being courteous back, too often things like this end in flame wars. |
dPb_PapaHaefMasterMC |
Jun 5 2010, 05:29 PM
Post
#13
|
Major-General Group: Members Posts: 2,982 Submissions: None Joined: 30-November 07 Member No.: 61,018 |
We could definately debate Reagan and such, but I figured such an arbitrary thing like Reagan being a Neo-Con and the semantics of the term could just be a freebie :) |
DoO_DarKsouL |
Jun 6 2010, 10:57 AM
Post
#14
|
General Group: Members Posts: 4,194 Submissions: None Joined: 1-February 07 From: UK Member No.: 51,354 |
Btw, for a clearer represenation, you could post your political compass. (IMG:http://i45.tinypic.com/qq2tte.png) There's mine. http://www.politicalcompass.org/index |
[DoD]Hellsravage |
Jun 6 2010, 06:54 PM
Post
#15
|
Field-Marshal Group: Staff Posts: 18,206 Submissions: None Joined: 9-October 06 Member No.: 45,923 |
i am basically directly where you are, except a little more towards the origin Darksoul :) |
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
Time is now: 28th March 2024 - 07:47 AM |
Site Designed and Coded Originally by Robo.
© MasterOfFreedom Sanctuary Networks LLC . All Rights Reserved.
© MasterOfFreedom Sanctuary Networks LLC . All Rights Reserved.